Do you believe that: 'that women could avoid rape by not dressing like "sluts?"

[LOUANN BRIZENDINE]

Like the Canadian police officers group? Is the 'sluts movement' helping or hurting things?

[Elfriede Ammann]

Rapists look for victims they perceive as vulnerable, not for women who dress provocatively. Assuming that women provoke attacks by where they are or the way they dress is victim-blaming.
Of all crimes rape victims are faced with the highest suspicion and doubt. According to studies a major reason for blaming the victim of being out late at night, drinking alcohol, dress sexily, leading on is motivated by unconscious self-protection.
http://de.spiritualwiki.org/Wiki/Gewalt#toc18   Rape myths – a result of cultural denial # 22 and 23

However
throughout the 1000s of years of the domination/subjugation system women were denied education, money, spiritual teachings, the right to own property. so they developed the ability to manipulate men to get what they needed in life. the sexual energy game is ordinary woman's currency for survival in a man's world. when she is interested in committed relationships this conditioned manipulation tool does not work any longer.

unconscious "Women had to develop a survival mechanism: the ability to manipulate men sexually [seduction]."
Frederick Philip Lenz, III, Ph.D. (Rama) (1950-1998) US American spiritual teacher

 

Conscious women go for authenticity and refrain from seduction to win over.

 

 

[frustrated1]

I am uneducated but I read a lot and mostly on psychology and human behavior that is why I first read the female brain. I agree Elfriede that most rape victims dress in a way that would seem to tell men I am unavailable but in reality it is what predators look for. This is from statistics from FBI data and other law enforcement agencies. Woman who dress like sluts do get mistreated in certain social settings bars and sporting events just to name a few. However it is my belief that for what ever reason in there past they feel this is the kind of attention they deserve and that they will not be looked at by men or women with what they perceive as respect. The down side is the loss of respect from there peers as well as them selves. Some of the things I study are body language and graphology in body language women in the work place who dress with there goods hanging out get less money and no respect. By simply changing your mind to say i will earn the respect of others by covering up and dressing appropriately they increase there income and are respected more than a woman who bares her chest or wears a skirt that clearly shows to much.

Women who are dressing as sluts do run a risk of sexual assault but generally from people they know as they will have a few drinks and then make the stupid choice of telling a guy they know sure I would love to come over for a drink. Lady's pay attention if a guy asks you to come over for a drink unless you have know him and been good friends for a long time most likely he has other intentions. This is not to say all men are like this but a high number think this way and I am not condoning this either as I am of the mind set that no means no but I have invited women to my home only to realize they had no intention other than hanging out.

If we had more social training in our school systems and at home as how to behave among the opposite gender maybe we could change these social norms as they have become. 

[Elfriede Ammann]

I noticed that female TV personalities in the USA show esp. cleavage and insist on "the right to bare arms" and shoulders - in the middle of winter. USA has "pretty woman" contests for minors under age 10. that is bizarre and decadent.
female TV personalities in Italy dress extremely loose -- it is Berlusconi land. he owns the media and goes after young flesh. his ratings are now falling.

the TV ladies on German TV do not dress outrageously. they dress rather decently. it's Angela Merkel land.

[Scott Anthony McKay]

 

If I recall correctly, I've heard a good majority of those individuals who commit rapes are opportunists--insomuch as it's less to do with the clothing as the situation.  With that in mind, I think we must also consider that a female who dresses "like a slut" may be doing so because of a lack of confidence in herself as a person rather than simply an object.  A rapist may be more likely to pick up on these cues and make assumptions such as the victim being an easy target.  Further, let us consider that individuals commit rape for multiple reasons.  Some may do it for a sense of power and control, some may do it vindictively, others may do it because they feel that they have been "lead on."  As each of these would most likely have different antecedents, it stands to reason that to deter all forms of rape with such a simple solution as "don't dress like sluts" won't work.  (That being said, I think there is something drastically wrong with the image many pre-pubescent girls are emulating, but that’s a different rant.)  

It seems unlikely that a woman's style of dress could "cause" a rape, but we could always test to see what kinds of reaction people would report in relation to subjects being dressed in various ways.  For example, would people view women who dress provocatively as less capable (in general) and view women in semi-formal-business dress attire as more powerful and dominant?  If this were the case, then we may suggest that some rapes are--at least in part--provoked by the assailant’s perception that the sultrily dressed target may simply be an easier hit, whereas a woman viewed as capable, confident and strong of will would more than likely be much more difficult to overtake (though I imagine the challenge would be more enticing for at least a small number of rapists).

[Elfriede Ammann]

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[LOUANN BRIZENDINE]

Scott i agree that "perception that the sultrily dressed target may simply be an easier hit, whereas a woman viewed as capable, confident and strong of will would more than likely be much more difficult to overtake.." seems like an interesting interpretation...

[Amy Nguyen]

Rapists have no excuse, but the way a woman dresses can definitely have tilt things to her advantage or disadvantage both in prevention and in the aftermath. ABC's "What Would You Do?" did a a related social experiment where they sent in actors to portray a couple on a first date at a bar of a restaurant. The man ostensibly roofied her drink when she stepped away. In one scenario, she was dressed conservatively. In another, she was dressed like a slut. Sadly, very few bystanders stepped in either way, but there was more of a response when she was dressed conservatively. In the courts, a woman's sexual history is not admissible because people are swayed by such information in judging rape cases. That being the case, defense attorneys try to sneak it in any way they can such as how she dressed, whether she partied a lot, whether the couple had had sex before, or even a "slip" that gets withdrawn. The judge's instruction for the jury to disregard xyz does not in any way, shape or form, create a state of selective amnesia in the jury. The media, of course, is not subjected to the same legal restrictions in content.

[Amy Nguyen]

May I also add that responsibility is not the same as blame, nor does opportunity equate with provocation. The world is what it is. Human nature is what it is. We can only control ourselves as we navigate through all of it.  If I am with my husband in the ICU and finally leave at 2 a.m., and walk across a deserted, dark parking lot, it is an unsafe scenario. I chose to take the risk that night to take care of my family. No reasonable person would blame me if I were attacked, yet any reasonable person would consider me wise for choosing to stay home long before and after 2 a.m. on any other given night to lessen my risk of being victimized.

[Joel Slater]

A while ago I did interviewing for a group called Amigos De Las Americas.  They sent high school kids down to central and S. America to work on health projects.  It was stressed to me that the girls we interviewed had to clearly understand that the typical American teenage girl dress and talk could get them into serious trouble there. They had to very clearly understand that they must act very demur and ladylike-sexually inhibited. If they had any trouble understanding this-they were rejected for their own safety. That said-I don't think simple dress in this culture will matter much-however I think slutty talk and slutty behavior in particular circumstances will put females in jeopardy. Ya, I think slutty clothing will increase the chances also-quick change of mind.

[Jannike Nordensson]

I might be terribly wrong here, but if we leave out moral aspects - isn't both dressing up to attract males, and raping - just two ways of spreading dna?